Is Hell a forever flame? Is it a 100 trillion year old fire that is just warming up after millions of years? Does the character and personality of God fit together with the will to punish for eternity without end? We know that there is a hell fire in the bible but does the bible state that the time men shall suffer in hell to be infinite?
Could the mercy and compassion of a loving God have found someway of making provision for people suffering torture in hell to come to an end even after 200 trillion years? For If not I fear that I may serve God from fear, and will do injustice to God’s desire for a sincere motivation to repent and do right for it is the: “the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance” and not fear of punishment that leads there. (Rm 2:5)
Jesus said in John 3:16 ” For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” If Jesus said in this verse that he loved the world that sinners should not perish then why is it commonly believed that the penalty for sin is eternal torture instead of perishing? Why not just perish and die? DId you get it, “that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” In this most popular scripture of all time John 3:16 we see that Christ said the Father gave the Son that men “should not perish”. Now is Jesus telling the truth that men would perish without His life or would they live on infinitely in the flames of hell?
Google’s dictionary defines “perish” as: per·ish verb: perish; suffer death, typically in a violent, sudden, or untimely way.
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“a great part of his army perished of hunger and disease”
synonyms: die, lose one’s life, be killed, fall, expire, meet one’s death, be lost, lay down one’s life, breathe one’s last, draw one’s last breath, pass away, go the way of all flesh, give up the ghost, go to glory, meet one’s maker, go to one’s last resting place, cross the great divide; More -
suffer complete ruin or destruction.
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Why love the world to send those who reject you to eternal torture? Why isn’t the penalty for sin death like the apostle Paul say’s and not torture? “For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” Rom 6:23 What is a wage? Isn’t it something you earn. Paul says the earnings of sin is death; now that’s very different than saying the earnings of sin is eternal torture.
How many people have put a foot in the door of the church to avoid hell fire, but were never able to really love and know God because an unhealthy fear kept them locked in mental bondage to low thoughts of a God who torments for trillions of years, and is just getting warmed up instead of a high, and holy God who’s every motive is love? Has anyone ever tried to explain to you the motive of a God who tortures for a hundred 100 trillion years in a flame that’s just getting primed up for the countdown to infinity, let us take a closer look at God’s beautiful character of love, and loyalty to all mankind, sinners, and the saved.
By the way did you know that almost no one really believes in an eternally burning torture for a quadrillion yearswithout end? They say that they believe but if they really thought it through, and if they thoroughly mediated on it we would admit that the thought is bad enough to drive a person mad. The thought of being burnt for quadrillion and quintillion years by God. Yet no one really believes it for if they did people would be flooding into the church to avoid being tortured forever. Instead it has made many sinners angry, and assume the attitude of, “well if God is that way and is going to burn me and my family for trillions of years in Hell for 70 years of mistakes on earth then he can go ahead and have heaven without me.” “If God’s going to burn my Grandpa who drank his beer, but was honest, and never stole, and didn’t even do the sins that Pastor’s are committing in the light of day in this age then I don’t want to be there.”
And has this 100 trillion-year-old flame of Hell Fire that’s just warming up helped, and advanced the church? During the dark ages and still today it brings money in the church from poor souls trying to get their relatives out of the purgatorail flames. Even today in the U.S. people are paying for masses for the dead. At a funeral there are envelopes to donate money for the funeral expenses or you can mark it for masses to be said in the honor of the person who died.
Definition of purgatory by Webster
God Help Us as we seek to Live only “by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. Mat 4:4”
People often cry misconduct on the part of God… insurance agencies coined the phrase when disaster happens as an “act of God”; is it true that God was the one responsible for these calamities, or is it just another allegation against the character of God? Surely injustice, evil, sin, wrong, oppression, suffering, and pain have caused a lot of confusion about the personality of God. Even today some of the greatest allegations, and slander are being heaped on God as a supposedly supreme do-gooder for the human race; one who has promised to benefit mankind by sacrificing his own son “that whosoever believeth in him should not perish…”, but who may leave the majority of us in an even more desperate situation than before the plan of salvation was ever invented.
It’s one thing to lose out on eternity, but it’s another to suffer for 100 trillion years in flaming hell fire. How do you count 100 trillion years in hell? One excruciating flaming painful second at a time, and if that’s the case we (the majority of human beings) were in better shape than before the gospel was ever introduced to mankind, that is if Hell fire never comes to an end. And, if eternal hell fire is a lie to distort the character of God, and cause mankind to draw further away from Jesus all the while “God was in Christ, reconciling (drawing & restoring) the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them… 2Co 5:19″ then Satan has done a marvelous job investing Christ with his own character, and motives.
Doesn’t eternal torture sound like something that would come off the menu that Satan serves, or do you really think that Christ could serve the saints in Heaven at the marriage supper of the Lamb while his children, and our brothers, and sisters were still suffering in the flames of eternal Hell fire? The bible says, ” Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come…Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb… Rev. 19:7-8″ Do you really think Jesus could receive honor, rejoice, and be glad while sinners, many ignorant to God’s love are suffering in hell fire?
All over the religious world we see doctrines of a God who punishes forever without end in the flames of hell for eternity. This is the 100 Trillion Year Fire that is Just Warming Up, and is to continue for another eternity beyond in torture, and pain. Is it so; and does the character and personality of God prove to be so in the bible, what does the bible say? Do the verses in the bible on hell, death, and torment teach so. We must find out because the answer will reveal just who God is.
More often than not the most well know things can often be the most misunderstood. The most well know verse in the bible is John 3:16, ” For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” But do we really understand the full meaning of this verse? Lets look at the two possibilities found in this verse.
What are the two options in the verse:
1. Perish
2. Everlasting life
Perish or Everlasting life… is there any other option… is there a third… what does perish mean? Strong’s Concordance G622
ἀπόλλυμι
apollumi
ap-ol’-loo-mee
From G575 and the base of G3639; to destroy fully (reflexively to perish, or lose), literally or figuratively: – destroy, die, lose, mar, perish.
Total KJV occurrences: 92
There are 92 occurrences where the word “perish” is used in the bible and do you know what all 92 mean… destroy, die, perish, not in one instance does it mean to to be punished eternally without end… let us look further at only one example we read at the beginning of our study on the goodness of God that leadeth to repentance: that draws men to God.
“Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and long suffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?Rm 2:5″”” It is God’s goodness that motivates man alone to genuinely repent not the fear of punishment. No one can truely love who fears, look: “There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. 1Jn_4:18 ”
Do you hear John 3:16 cry misconduct or appropriate behavior of a loving compassionate Creator… how does your ear respond to John 3:16?
When we read a moment ago that God is drawing men to Him; is He doing it by fear? ” And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.Joh_12:32″ Not really, God is drawing men by love, by Calvary, by revealing His self sacrificing love… let’s look further at the verses in Romans.
Rom 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds: Rom 2:6
A lot of wrath here, a lot of judgment, look further…
Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
Rom 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
Rom 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
A lot of indignation, a lot of anguish, what will the result be, will it be Hell fire’s 100 trillion year old flame that is just warming up… lets look further…
Rom 2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
Here we see the bible teaching the same thing that the result of sinning is to perish, it takes us back to the beginning again in Genesis, “in the day ye eat thereof ye shall surely die.” The record is that God was sure from the beginning of time that if man sinned in the garden by eating of the fruit he would die, but the doctrines of today are not so sure. They teach that to sin is to live forever in Hell fire’s trillon year old flame that will be just warming up.
Let’s go back to John 3:16 “that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
Jesus really is clear on His position of Love… He never changed His position, only warning us that if we sin without forsaking sin, we shall die: Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
What does the scripture above teach that the payment for sin is? It is death. It is the devil that seeks to add to God’s word ye shall die, but not surely, or “ye shall not surely die.” Gen. 3:4 These words of the devil, the first words spoken in contradiction to the sure word of God that “ye shall surely die” if you sin are the foundation for the doctrine of the wages of sin is no longer death but living in Hell fire for eternity? I know it’s terrible to reject God and live a life of sin but have you considered just what is the advantages to God, the angels, and holy beings in burning forever, and ever those who reject God’s government without end.
Well, at the foundation of the world the penalty for sin was, “ye shall surely die.” After the cross Paul who had been taken up to the 3rd heaven, and was chosen by Christ Himself as an apostle wrote under inspiration that, “the wages of sin is death…” therefore if the penalty for sin is an eternal penalty when did it become one. Here we have two proofs, one before Calvary, and the other afterwards that the penalty for sin was never burning in Hell fire for eternity.
If God sent his only son into the world to save the world then would the majority of the world, and all those who have ever lived in it be in worse shape than before He came; that is if the plan of salvation has the consequences of eternal punishment without end, then wouldn’t the implementation of the gospel leave the majority of mankind in worse condition than if God would have never invented such a plan of salvation? If Hell Fire Forever Without End were true then the gospel would leave the majority of the world in a much worse condition for we know that the majority of all who have ever lived reject God. Therefore the majority suffering in hell forever in eternity would be much worse for all mankind with benefit only to a few.
If this were true then what cries must come up from Hell for eternity from those condemned to its flames. What blasphemy, and cursing must come up out of the flames of Hell for eternity if this doctrine were true. What benefit is this to a Holy God? What misrepresentation of the character of God to invest God with such a plan as to impart power for sinners to live forever in Hell while the Creator punishes them forever for sinning.
Jesus was asked the question: ” Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them, Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. Luk 13:23″.
Now are we capable of believing the words of Christ and putting God’s own words above our leaders… let’s look further…
Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: Also the bible reveals that although this fire is eternal the work that it does will fully destroy sinners, and they will not be any more.
Here it is: Jud 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. This was eternal fire but is Sodom and Gomorrah still burning? Certainly not, the fire did a complete, perfect work and left the natural, mortal material of it totally consumed.
We recognize that there is a Hell Fire in the Bible, and that the flame is eternal in it’s nature, its source, but that the people are not, they are mortal, and the flame will consume them until they die. Also, that this Hell Fire was never prepared for man. It was prepared for the Devil and his angels.
This is why the wicked shall no longer be in the universe at all, they shall be consumed by the flames: Psa 37:9 For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the LORD, they shall inherit the earth. Psa 37:10 For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be.
Let us look at the truth of these verses:
Mal 4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
Mal 4:2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
Mal 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.
The bible explains in the above verses of Malachi that after the Judgement of the wicked the only thing that those who were cast into the Lake Of Fire will be is Ashes and this is why the bible defines Hell Fire as the Second Death, not the Second Life of Eternal Suffering.
Rev_20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Rev_20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev_21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Oh how God has been misrepresented by a doctrine of Eternal Torment when the bible clearly reveals that the penalty for sin is not eternal, but the soul will die. Eze_18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die… yes, there will be no immortal soul living in Hell. The devil doesn’t want you to know this but Hell is not his party, hell comes to an end when it is cast into the lake of fire which is the second death. Even the devil will be finally destroyed and will be reduced to ashes.
We need to understand the Greek Word for “Destroy”
God’s word never contradicts itself. Paul states that Jesus will “destroy him who holds the power of death that is the devil. Heb 2:14. Paul states again, 2 Thess.2:8 . The King James Version has this verse, “And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: “
The final fate of Satan Revealed:
The terrible fate of Satan is unvield in the Old Testament, Isaiah says, Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
Ezekiel opens to us the fate of Satan even more, he says: Eze 28:12 … Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
Eze 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
Eze 28:17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
Eze 28:18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
Eze 28:19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.
What a fearful prophecy of the certain end of Satan, it could not be made more certain, for the devil will be reduced to Ashes… totally annihilated.
Moffatt translation states it this way”By the greatness of your guilt, by the crimes of your commerce, you have profaned your sacred position; therefore have I made you SET FIRE TO YOURSELF, WITH FLAMES THAT CONSUME YOU,AND REDUCED YOU TO ASHES ON EARTH in the sight of all who behold you. All who know you among the nations shall be APPALLED at you — YOUR FATE IS AWFUL, there is NO FUTURE for you” (Ezek.28:18-19, Moffatt).
Oh yes Satan knows he is coming to a certain end, he will not rule Hell… He will be destroyed… the only one unclear about the certainty of death is man for he has be lead to deception with the words of Satan, “ye shall die but not surely” Why is it that man knows not the truth? What could be made clearer than the verses described above.
Jesus made this statement, “For the Father sent not the son into the world to condemn the world but that the world might be saved through him.”
Now upon the testimony of Jesus very own words he’s stating that the Father didn’t even send me into the world to condemn it, much less burn people throughout all eternity. Why is it that doubting humanity thinks so many things that God says don’t think about, or don’t think that way about.
Jesus says,”think not that I’ve come to do away with the law”, and today’s preachers say that the law of God in Ten commandments is no longer binding but that we are to somehow keep the principles of the law while we discard the letters of the law written by God’s on finger in 10 commandments. And it is the principles of the 10 commandments that we are to keep. This is a way Satan has used to mystify the law to make it less than real, and in reality do away with it.
Let’s see what Jesus said, what if we find Jesus saying don’t do that to the law, and don’t think that way.
Jesus did say, “think not that I’ve come to destroy the law and the prophets, I’ve not come to destroy, but to fulfill,.” Here Jesus says don’t even think this about the law for I’ve come not to do away with but to live out, fulfill, that is show you how to keep.
Then he said, For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
What a strange thing then for the Christian world to teach that God’s law is no longer binding…. Strange don’t you think…
Let’s look further… what if you could find a verse that says, think not that I came to destroy lives, and burn people in hell forever but to give them life forever, don’t you ever think otherwise. That would be nice wouldn’t it. We could end our quest for truth right there.
Well in fact we do have verses which if put together would describe exactly that. For instance Jesus said, Luk_9:56 For the Son of man is not come to destroy men’s lives, but to save them. And they went to another village. Here we see that Christ didn’t even come to destroy much less to develop a Auschwitz eternal punishment prison camp for trillions of years and he was just warming up, no, that wasn’t in his mind at all. Jesus came to seek and to save that which was lost.
But we still doubt… because we have those pesky verses of eternal hell fire, what do we do about them, well we want to challenge you to consider the fact that although the fire of Hell is eternal that the people who are lost are not eternal, they are not immortal, and their bodies are not comprised of eternal material, but dust.
God has promised they will not suffer eternally for since they come from dust, and our Father Adam was given the offer of eternal life only as he perfectly obeyed God. Adam was given access to the tree of life that would have enabled him to live forever. But immortality in himself Adam never possessed; it was only as Adam maintained a vital connection with Christ that he could live without death. But he sinned, and “the wages of sin is death”, and “who alone hath immortality”, no one but God is eternal.
“who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; Who only hath immortality,” 1Ti 6:16
We are dust, and here is the sentence after man sinned, “for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. Gen. 3:19.”
They never could suffer forever—throughout eternity—God has never given a single sinner that has ever lived eternal life in his very nature. That gift of eternal life resides in Christ and it is received by a transaction. A transaction of vital contact—a vital connection with God by which his own life, unborrowed, undrived life, the divinity of Christ flows through the believer through a living union. And we will prove that this union is not nor ever has been, nor ever will be given to sinners.
We will prove that Adam and Even only had immortal life through obedience, and once the ties of loyalty to God were severed that lost acess to a connection with him by the tree of life and they died.
Anyway—understand—the penalty for sin is not eternal burning hell fire – it’s just what Christ told Adam it would be. In the day ye eat thereof ye shall surely die… and “the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” Romans 6:23.
1Jn_4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
Bing Dictionary
- al·le·ga·tion
- [ àllə gáysh’n ]
- unproved assertion: an assertion, especially relating to wrongdoing or misconduct on somebody’s part, that has yet to be proved or supported by evidence
- alleging: the alleging of something, especially wrongdoing
- declaration: an assertion made as a plea or excuse. Let us no longer doubt the Character of our Loving Creator for many are charging God foolishly with misconduct. Reject the False Doctrine that misrepresents the Character of a Creator and Redeemer who has, and is doing everything He can to benefit humanity. Our God would never torture for eternity. “God is Love”1Jn_4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
Now here’s the question could you really worship, and honor such a being who could not have made provision in the plan of salvation for Hell Fire to Finally Come to an End. Would not a merciful kind God who’s wisdom created the earth, and who formulated the plan of redemption find a way to administer justice while executing mercy for earth’s family members who may reject God and suffer Hell fire. Is it possible for a provision to be made of the such? Could it be that this concept of the character, and very nature of God is found coming “straight from hell and proceeding out of the Devil’s own mouth”.
Could it never be even substantiated from the word of God but that we have taken the word of a pastor or authority figure above God’s own words? Where do we find God warning man at the beginning that the penalty for sin is Eternal Punishment without end… No, we only see the warning, “in the day ye eat thereof ye shall surely die”. Does surely die have room for eternally live in punishment, no, not when the bible states that “the wages (penalty for sin) is death. Rm 6:23
Gen_2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Who was the first person to change the penalty for sin? It was fallen Lucifer, who used the snake as a medium of communication between himself and man.
Gen_3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: these are Satan’s word’s not God’s.
Could it be that a failure to appreciate the truth about the plan of salvation has had a debasing influence? The offering of Christ has been misunderstood which has blighted our expectations, caused us to fall short of our privileges, and by doubting God lead us to receive unsound and perilous theories concerning salvation.
Ah but the truth sets you free… ” Joh_8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
May the Lord Bless you and Keep You and cause His Face to Shine Upon You
Pastor Ken Tonage